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Breaking Off at a Shared Speed

Irodov 1.163DifficultyDifficulty 3 of 5UniquenessUniqueness 3 of 5

Problem Irodov 1.163

A body of mass MM, whose upper profile is a specially shaped raised surface, rests on a smooth horizontal plane and carries a small disc of mass mm on its flat top. The disc is set moving horizontally with velocity vv and rides up along MM’s curved surface, a face that curves smoothly upward until it becomes exactly vertical at the lip, which is the point where the disc eventually leaves MM. The plane under MM is smooth and the disc’s contact with MM is frictionless, so MM is free to slide as the disc climbs. Find the height, measured relative to the disc’s initial level, to which the disc rises after it breaks off from MM.

The disc m starts on M's flat top with velocity v; M's face curves smoothly up into a near vertical wall before a peaked lip, then slopes back down to the floor, on which M slides freely.

The disc mm starts on MM’s flat top with velocity vv; MM’s face curves smoothly up into a near vertical wall before a peaked lip, then slopes back down to the floor, on which MM slides freely.

Given
  • mm
  • MM
  • vv
Find
Find the height hh the disc reaches, relative to its starting level

Solution

Step 1The horizontal velocities match at breakoff, fixed by momentum conservation

Both the floor under MM and the curved face the disc rides on are frictionless, so while the disc stays in contact, the normal force between the two bodies is the only thing coupling their motions. MM’s face curves up from the flat starting shelf into a wall that is exactly vertical at the lip, the point where the disc leaves the body, so right there the shared tangent between disc and surface is vertical and the disc’s velocity relative to MM has no horizontal component left: the disc and MM already share one common horizontal velocity, call it VV, at the instant of breakoff, even though the disc still carries a nonzero vertical velocity of its own at that same instant.

The floor is smooth, so the disc plus MM system feels no external horizontal force at any time, and horizontal momentum is conserved throughout, in particular between the start (disc at vv, MM at rest) and the breakoff instant, where the disc’s horizontal velocity component equals MM’s velocity VV:

mv=(m+M)V.mv = (m+M)V.
V=mm+MvV = \dfrac{m}{m+M}v
(1)
Step 2Free flight to the apex, where both bodies move at VV again

Once the disc leaves MM at the lip it is a free projectile: with no more contact force, its horizontal velocity stays fixed at the VV of (1) for the rest of the flight, and only its vertical velocity changes, under gravity. MM likewise feels no more horizontal push once contact ends, so it also coasts on at that same VV from then on.

Both surfaces were frictionless throughout, on the curve before breakoff and in free flight after it, so mechanical energy is conserved across the whole process, from the start to the apex, the disc’s kinetic energy splitting into the system’s kinetic energy at VV plus the disc’s gained potential energy mghmgh:

12mv2=12(m+M)V2+mgh.\frac{1}{2}mv^2 = \frac{1}{2}(m+M)V^2+mgh.

Solving for hh and substituting the boxed VV (1),

h=v22g−(m+M)V22mg=v22g−(m+M)2mg(mm+Mv)2=v22g−mv22g(m+M)=v22g(1−mm+M).\begin{align*}h &= \frac{v^2}{2g}-\frac{(m+M)V^2}{2mg} = \frac{v^2}{2g}-\frac{(m+M)}{2mg}\left(\frac{m}{m+M}v\right)^2 \\ &= \frac{v^2}{2g}-\frac{m v^2}{2g(m+M)} = \frac{v^2}{2g}\left(1-\frac{m}{m+M}\right).\end{align*}
h=Mv22g(M+m)h = \dfrac{Mv^2}{2g(M+m)}
(2)
Check

As M→∞M\to\infty the body cannot be budged and the disc might as well be climbing a fixed ramp: the formula correctly reduces to the textbook h→v2/2gh\to v^2/2g, the full height a projectile of speed vv would reach on a rigid slope.

Remark

The process looks like an inelastic collision, disc and MM share one velocity VV at breakoff, yet no energy is lost: the ”missing” kinetic energy 12mv2−12(m+M)V2\frac{1}{2}mv^2-\frac{1}{2}(m+M)V^2 reappears exactly as the disc’s gravitational potential energy mghmgh at the apex, since both surfaces were frictionless throughout. The mass ratio M/(M+m)M/(M+m) in hh is one minus the ratio m/(m+M)m/(m+M) that fixed VV, both tracing back to the identical momentum split.